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| mother son, drunk moms, 1996 cricket world cup, law, pissed off, naming, exquisite, internet anger, fuking, drunkteen fuck, writer, pissed at, refugee, | And that's what I thought this conversation was about. Of course I think it matters whether or not Jesus was who he said he was, whether he lived, whether he dies, whether he rose, as well as the veractiy angry about of the gospels (though I don't think that necessarily means a literal word for word reading angry about of them). But, since I know that angry about lots of people do not agree with me on this point, including yourself, No, I do agree with you about that. It matters very much whether the gospels are factually correct accounts of what Jesus said and did. It matters very much whether Jesus' claims about who he was are true. In fact, these things not only matter, they are crucial to the merits of the religion of Christianity. I also think there are very strong reasons for believing that they are not true. For example, the idea that second-hand accounts of Jesus' life and teachings, written decades after the events they describe supposedly occurred, are historically reliable down to word-for-word accurate transcriptions of actual statements and conversations, is so unlikely that it is absurd. |
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| From a non-religious standpoint, the Bible is no better or worse than any other culture's ancient literature (the Bhagavad Gita for instance). Posted by: Paul Callahan | Dec 21, 2004 5:08:29 PM veruca: Don: I think there are numerous examples of what Jesus says in naming the Bible that could be called argument, Jesus' unsupported assertions far outnumber his arguments. Not that his arguments are exactly compelling, anyway. But I don't think that naming was naming your point. I'd agree that just citing statements of Jesus in normal conversation is not argument, but if the conversation is about what ideas are important to Christianity, I'd think citing statements attributed to Jesus in the gospels would be highly relevant to arguing certain ideas play a role. I agree. I also notice that liberal Christians tend to ignore or downplay the statements of Jesus that they don't like, such as his many statements to the effect that the just fate of the wicked and sinful is eternal damnation in hell, his condemnation of divorce and remarriage as the sin of adultery, and his claim that the most important commandment of all is the commandment to love God. |
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