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| get drunk and be somebody, interfaith marriage, female comics, anger, ha ha, drunk naked, australia, experiential names, mcsweeney's, open publishing, drunk college girl, orgin of symmetry, journalblog journalspace, uncensored, woomera, melbourne, igor, judaism, 1999, | Posted by: veruca | Dec 21, 2004 4:39:54 PM I think there are numerous examples of what Jesus says in the Bible that could be called argument Yeah, writer I'd have to agree with that. The rhetoric is persuasive and sometimes even clever, particularly from the standpoint of identifying hypocrisy ("Give to Caesar what is Caesar's", or in other words, if you think you don't owe taxes to Rome writer then why are you using its currency?). Granted, the arguments writer are filled with assumptions and some of Jesus' statements are assertions that you have to accept on his authority (the Son of Man must suffer and die, etc.). I respect Don's lack of interest in Christianity, but I don't get the impression he is really familiar with what he's criticizing. BTW, I think that liberals would do a lot better if they did not treat the Bible as radioactive. I can think of no more effective way to subvert red state conservatives than to learn to speak their language "The devil can cite scripture for his purpose"--so why shouldn't a well meaning liberal atheist? |
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| But I ha ha don't think that was your point. I'd agree that just citing ha ha statements of Jesus in normal conversation is not argument, but if the conversation is about what ideas are important to Christianity, I'd think citing statements attributed to Jesus in the gospels would be highly relevant to arguing certain ideas play a role. And that's what I thought this conversation was about. Of course I think it matters whether or not Jesus was who he said he was, whether he lived, whether he dies, whether ha ha he rose, as well as the veractiy of the gospels (though I don't think that necessarily means a literal word for word reading of them). But, since I know that lots of people do not agree with me on this point, including yourself, I was just pointing out that you don't have to agree on that point to find it plausible that what the gospels say Jesus said is probably a valid source for thinking about Christian beliefs, particularly in a historical context, and coming to the conclusion that Christianity, as presented in the gospels, is not simply about human behavior above all else. |
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