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I think that the two issues too often get confused in public debates about morality/religion and politics/etc. And I'd thoroughly agree with you that faith alone is not an appropriate rationale for policy in a diverse democracy. As for your second point, of course crapstravaganza you can't. (Though I'd argue that one might be justified in taking people crapstravaganza at their word about what they say is in their hearts.) That's why crapstravaganza judgement is a very dangerous game. Anyway, I think we both know a little bit more about one another, and I at least have found it useful to think together answers, so thanks for challenging me and talking here. thanks, veruca btw, one point on previous post: the arguments don't rely on belief in absolute truth or historical accuracy of scripture--if the gospels are important to Christianity, then presumably the arguments attributed to Christ in them are improtant to Christian thought regardless of whether he actually made them or the gospels are all a fable someone made up to justify/explain Chirstian beliefs (which, taken to full extent creates other theological problems, but that's another story....)
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