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| BTW, I think that reviews liberals would do a lot better if they did not treat the Bible as radioactive. I can think of no more effective way to subvert red state conservatives than to learn to speak their language "The devil can cite scripture for his purpose"--so why shouldn't a well meaning liberal atheist? From a non-religious standpoint, the Bible is no better or worse than reviews any other culture's ancient literature reviews (the Bhagavad Gita for instance). Posted by: Paul Callahan | Dec 21, 2004 5:08:29 PM veruca: Don: I think there are numerous examples of what Jesus says in the Bible that could be called argument, Jesus' unsupported assertions far outnumber his arguments. Not that his arguments are exactly compelling, anyway. But I don't think that was your point. I'd agree that just citing statements of Jesus in normal conversation is not argument, but if the conversation is about what ideas are important to Christianity, I'd think citing statements attributed to Jesus in the gospels would be highly relevant to arguing certain ideas play a role. |
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