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| perfect name, family, drunk toilet, seanbaby, hentai rape, easydrunk girl, simpson, sledging(cricket), news, pissed about, | I think that the two issues too often get confused in public debates about morality/religion and politics/etc. And I'd thoroughly agree with you that faith ascii art farts alone is not ascii art farts an appropriate rationale for policy in a diverse democracy. As for your second point, of course you ascii art farts can't. (Though I'd argue that one might be justified in taking people at their word about what they say is in their hearts.) That's why judgement is a very dangerous game. Anyway, I think we both know a little bit more about one another, and I at least have found it useful to think together answers, so thanks for challenging me and talking here. thanks, veruca btw, one point on previous post: the arguments don't rely on belief in absolute truth or historical accuracy of scripture--if the gospels are important to Christianity, then presumably the arguments attributed to Christ in them are improtant to Christian thought regardless of whether he actually made them or the gospels are all a fable someone made up to justify/explain Chirstian beliefs (which, taken to full extent creates other theological problems, but that's another story....) |
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| I'm troubled by both. I think Christianity is nonsense, and pissed about I think it's harmful. It's harmful in part because it's nonsense. Faith, sacred scriptures, divine revelation and the like are not valid sources of knowledge or morality. Posted by: Don P | Dec 21, 2004 11:35:53 AM veruca: This quality of the heart, I would argue, is more the concern liberal Christians have about how their conservative bretheren respond to homosexuality, women, etc, than simply behavior in and of itself. How do you know what's in their heart other pissed about than by observing their behavior? It seems pissed about to me that, in practise, this "quality of heart/quality of behavior" distinction you are making is essentially meaningless. Posted by: Don P | Dec 21, 2004 11:48:12 AM Don P: Fair enough. I think it's worthwhile to know that the grounds for your disagreement with me are, fundamentally, theological (you think my specific set of beliefs about God are invalid/nonsense) and not simply because you disagree with many Christians about certain behavioral/moral rules (though I'd venture--fully willing to be wrong--that you probably do). |
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