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| hairy mature galleries , electronicgaming monthly, mature women in sexy high heel porn , sexy mature galleries , mature porn trailer , mature sucking , 1990, mom fucking son, erotic mature women , pissed off, mature pussy fuck , mature pics movies , mature porn tv , sexy mature men , sexy mature moms , anonymous, mature nude , | The more you describe your Christian beliefs, the more radical and revisionist they seem to be. Posted by: Don P | Dec 21, 2004 4:16:01 PM Don: I think there are numerous examples of what Jesus says in the Bible that could be called argument, my mother fucking change for example his dialogue with the Pharisees about the nature of the Messiah in my mother fucking change Matthew 22 my mother fucking change where he uses a rabbinical question technique to uncover inconsistencies in their thinking about the Messiah. But I don't think that was your point. I'd agree that just citing statements of Jesus in normal conversation is not argument, but if the conversation is about what ideas are important to Christianity, I'd think citing statements attributed to Jesus in the gospels would be highly relevant to arguing certain ideas play a role. |
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| Posted by: Tom Hilton | Dec 21, 2004 1990 1:26:02 PM veruca: btw, one point on previous post: the arguments don't rely on belief in absolute truth or historical accuracy of scripture--if the gospels are important to Christianity, then presumably the arguments attributed to Christ in them are improtant to Christian thought regardless of whether he actually made them or the gospels are all a fable someone made up to justify/explain Chirstian beliefs (which, taken to full extent creates other theological problems, but that's another story....) I don't see much in the way of 1990 "argument" in what Jesus says in the gospels. There are plenty of assertions, but simply asserting that something is true ("God loves you!") or asserting that one ought to behave in a certain way ("Turn the other cheek!") is obviously not the same thing as making an argument for those claims. I am also rather amazed that you seem to think it doesn't really matter whether the gospels are a reliable record of actual historical events, and whether Jesus Christ really was who he said he was, or whether it's all just a bunch of stuff someone made up for propaganda purposes. |
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